The seat was not adjustable so difficult to stretch my less was having pain after landing.
Frontier staff is outrageous and rude!
It was a Frontier Flight… Economy. No snacks. No frills. No entertainment aside from your own thoughts.
Had to pay $99 at the gate for a laptop bag I had flown with on Frontier at least a dozen times previously with no problem
they canceled the flight at the last minute. Need my money back!
I did not like the way they do I usually travel with my carry on bags But frontier did not allowed me to travel with it And they cleark are not friendly sometimes They pissed me off
I caught the COVID19 virus. Had to cancel. Frontier charged an $80 cancellation fee per ticket. Could not have been worse! Everywhere else I have flown in the last 30 days (even with non-refundable tickets) gave a full change or voucher. HD8IPQ is my reference code.
The only thing I liked was the care of the flight crew. One of us is a disabled passenger and they didn't give special consideration for someone who is disabled and couldn't walk to the gate nor to the seat. Our seats were in the REAR of the plane. That's no place for a disabled person. Not even a window seat. Lack of communication to the special service assistants for a request of an aisle wheelchair to get to the seat. The flight was delayed and we were sitting in the plane for over an hour to wait to exit the plane. We were informed there was lack of staff at Orlando International Airport for Frontier Airlines, and we had to wait for other staff to come from another gate to get us off the plane and get bags to baggage claim. We were waiting in Baggage Claim to retrieve our bags for over 30 minutes.
Pros: "Because I was unwilling to pay for seat selection, I was prepared to be separated from my husband and stuck in a middle seat. To my pleasant surprise, the agents put us in the same row by ourselves."
Cons: "Better directional signage in both the SFO and Las Vegas airports (arrivals). Las Vegas is a huge airport, requiring a tram to get to the passenger pick-up, even with directions it was confusing and not obvious. In SFO, half the plane walked halfway down the concourse in the wrong direction because of lack of signage and it looks like the right way to go. Drop Kiwi as a third-party for domestic flights, their customer service is clueless, handling charges absurd and flight requirements unnecessary."
Cons: "Social distancing guidelines should be applied on plane. Rather than leave 20+ seats empty, and cram everyone 6 to a row. Flight was over 2 hours delayed due to not having maintenance staff available. And then I was crammed in next to an oversized individual where we couldn’t even keep the armrest down."
Pros: "The legroom we paid for."
Cons: "This time the attendant still wouldn’t let anyone in rows 2 & 3 place the carry on they had paid extra for in the overhead bins, but she didn’t make me put it under the seat in front of me (this losing the extra leg room we paid for), so I put it in a bin behind me. The plane was late, but the pilot made up most of the time, but then it took 55 minutes to get our luggage."
Pros: "The aircraft was new."
Cons: "Being on time for departure would’ve been nice. Taking forever to board wasn’t fun. The seats are probably the most uncomfortable seats imagined. The air vent for my seat didn’t even reach my seat."
Pros: "The overall flight and crew was great no complaints"
Cons: "Your purse shouldn’t be considered a carryon unless it’s larger then the average personal carryon and one complimentary beverage and snack on flights over 2 hours"
Pros: "Same quality as other airlines for a much more affordable price."
Cons: "More airports with Frontier airlines. Their based out of Denver, so the choices of where you can fly, to and from, are limited."
Pros: "The crew was great. In a good mood and accommodated my requests. (For complimentary water and a trading card to remember my trip)"
Cons: "Seat was awfully uncomfortable. I’m only a slim built 5’9” woman and my knees were indenting the next seatback. And the aisle was too busy for me but that could have been fixed with paying for a window. I do not recommend flying in these economy seats for any longer than 2.5 hours."
Cons: "The flight was delayed. Our luggage was late. 0/10 recommend."
Pros: "The crew was good"
Cons: "For the price I won’t complain"
Pros: "I am Andrei Serdyukov, my email is firstname.lastname@example.org, telephone number 413 686 4789 On January 27, I flew from Las Vegas to Orlando. My ticket XDV57K airline Frontier was not. I had to buy a new BY943M ticket. I had no other opportunity to catch a res from Orlando to Hartford. I could not contact"
Cons: "I could not contact you, the phone did not answer. I paid an extra $ 170 for this ticket. This additional payment was not my fault. I ask you to return this money to me. Thank you for understanding."
Cons: "No reason given for the delay."
Cons: "This was a surprise trip for my boyfriend’s birthday. His father passed away shortly before the trip. We were told no refunds possible, even with the death certificate, and the transfer fee would be close to full price."
Cons: "My fiancé and I have both had awful experiences with Frontier. Both of us have had so many issues with our flights being delayed with no real explanation, apology, or compensation for our inconvenience. This most recent time I was supposed to get to my destination by 8 am and didn’t end up getting in until after 6 pm. The time before I was delayed for 12 hours before they finally decided to cancel the flight. You REALLY cannot expect anything. It’s a cheap flight and absolutely nothing more. You also get charged for every tiny little thing- including your carry on. My fiancé and I have never completely written off an entire company before but we will truly never fly Frontier again. I’d rather pay double the price to fly with a different airline than save a couple dollars and fly with Frontier. Good riddance."
Cons: "In less than 24 hours I cancelled my reservation but they don't refund unless you cancel 7 days in advance, but I bought the ticket less than two days before my travel date and then cancelled the next day in the 24 hour grace period. They said I could get a credit to use in the next 3 months,but I will not be needing a ticket in The next three months. My travels are over. I am really pissed off. I will NEVER FLY FRONTIER again."
Pros: "The punctuality of the flight"
Cons: "At a certain point the plane was so unstable for more than a minute . I don't know what was happening but many passengers and I were very uncomfortable ."
Pros: "Very smooth flight"
Cons: "They had us pay 45 dollars per carry on bag. CARRY ON BAG..... I was very disappointed. Who does this? I guess frontier. Won't be flying with them again."
Pros: "The price and crew."
Cons: "The seats do not recline, the leg space was terrible, and there is no onboard entertainment of any kind."
Cons: "The flight didn't have pushback seats. They charged extra for carry on. The most tiring flight I have ever had."
Pros: "Arriving safely"
Cons: "The downgrading of the plane on a fully booked flight. Total chaos at the airport. The ticket agent said, "Good thing you checked in online! You should always do that" Not a good sign. It was impossible to choose a seat even 5 minutes into online check-in time opened up. Its hate selling at its best. Never again."
Pros: "I am a mom of two young children flying solo. The counter staff was friendly and extremely helpful. With limited ability to handle multiple items and my small kids, the woman at the counter was beyond polite and helped with my bags immediately. I am so grateful for the friendly staff and the extra attention they gave to my kids and I."
Pros: "Crew was hilarious"
Cons: "There was a lag time from when we boarded and when we departed and there was no reason given for the delay. Unfortunately we also experienced a lot of turbulence during the flight (no one's fault) but our almost two year old ended up getting sick and neither seat back pocket had any bags. Luckily the lady next to my husband had brought her own and gave them to us. We were in the back of the plane and asked for a trash bag and or napkins and they ignored us at first. My husband and I tried to stay positive and laughed pretty much the whole time because these things happen. The crew didn't help us until decent (about 20 minutes later) and seemed upset that some got on the floor as they were complaining that they would need to use a special cleaning agent. Our son was such a trooper and wasn't fussy or crying. His stomach just couldn't handle the turbulence. The only positive about our flight we're the wonderful passengers sitting around us!"
Cons: "They nickel and dime you to death. Im surprised they dont charge for the air you breath. Then they lost my bag and the ground staff was useless. Worst flying experience i have ever had"
Pros: "Price of fare."
Cons: "On Frontier, you get what you pay for, bare bones transportation from point A to point B. Seat positions were fixed, and Frontier have clearly put a great deal of effort into cramming as many people as possible into the aircraft. Food and drink, any did and drink, were available only for purchase. There 's no entertainment, even for purchase."
Pros: "Decent ,Once you get the luggage hassle out of the way it's a pretty decent flight they leave and drop you on time"
Cons: "The seats could have been more comfortable . If they would recline a bitore it would be ok ."
Pros: "The crew was very friendly."
Cons: "Check in at MCO was very long."
Pros: "I am not a fan of flying but after my flights this past trip I feel a lot better about it. Both flights were very smooth, staff was very friendly and had smiles on their faces the entire duration of the flights! My flight into Denver was about 45 minutes early which is a huge plus! Will absolutley use them again to fly!"
Pros: "Horrible conditions. Most unorganized company in travel I've ever experienced."
Cons: "Considering I am still waiting for my flight when you asked me to review it, I'd say it's been poor! Flight has been delayed all day and many others canceled! Thank god I bought the travel insurance!"
Pros: "Wasn't told it would cost another $80 just to carry on a small tote....would have been cheaper to go with another choice...."
Cons: "Frontier charges a joke"
Pros: "Nice crew."
Cons: "It took forever for the bags to come!"
Cons: "The gate crew was completely rude and would not help. Flight was delayed, nobody said anything, we were all waiting around. Never again will I fly with this airline. They are a joke."
Pros: "That I made it to my destination."
Cons: "Late departure both ways. Seats did not recline. No complimentary food. No entertainment."
Cons: "Sat on the plane for an hour before takeoff and a half hour after landing. Let us off this damn plane. Nickle and dimed for everything from carry on to seat selection to a soda. Will never fly Frontier again. Southwest FTW."
Pros: "Boarding was quick. Enough room for carry on items."
Cons: "Seats are tight/uncomfortable. Flight was delayed with no notice until we looked at flight boards after getting through security."
Pros: "Leg room seating, but chairs were still uncomfortable"
Cons: "Food was expensive, only complimentary item was water."
Pros: "Cheap flight"
Cons: "Extra charges for baggage"
Pros: "The crew members were sweet and the flight was not bumpy."
Cons: "They charge you for carry ons and checked bags. They do not give you free water and there are no snacks at all, passengers have to pay for everything. The seats do not recline at all and for a tall person, it was uncomfortable give the small amount of leg room. Also there was no entertainment at all, not even radio or a movie played in the galley. All the corners were cut with Frontier Air."
Pros: "How cheap my flight was and boarding the plane went smoothly"
Cons: "That I have to pay $35 for my carry on...no other airline does that! And charging extra for window seats? Absolutely ridiculous."
Pros: "We landed without bursting in to flames"
Cons: "I guess comfort is a low priority. The seat I had was only slightly better than a 5 gallon pail. Just a hard plastic she'll (think small fishing boat with some foam padding) since when do seats not recline? I did get a good workout though keeping my legs and elbows out of the patient lady's bubble sitting next to me."
Pros: "Quick flight."
Cons: "Service. Had to pay extra for checked/carry on bags. Had to pay extra to get a seat...shouldn't that come with the ticket? If you wanted something to eat/drink had to pay for it. I like that it's a cheaper airlines so I would expect to have the "hard" seat. But to pay extra for everything else, you might as well fly on another airline. Don't think I'll fly Frontier again!!"
Pros: "Only 2 clerks available for who knows how many flights. The cre was dismissive and rude. Didn’t give any effort Smallest, dirtiest and uncomfortable plane I’ve ever been on. Seats don’t even recline. I don’t know about food because it cost too much to think about. No entertainment"
Pros: "Literally nothing."
Cons: "I was told my flight was delayed at 3:40am the morning of my 11:00am flight. My flight was delayed 3 different times. I live far from the airport I flew out of so this was a large inconvenience. We were never even told why the flight was being delayed. My entire 5 hour stay at the airport we were never updated once on the staus of our flight. I was also charged over $100 for just my bags and my seat. $45 for a carry on bag is ridiculous. I paid more for my seat and bag than I did for my actual ticket. Paying $13 to sit in the very last row is stupid. I will never be flying with Spirit ever again. Legitimate robbery. The website and app were also slow and hard to operate."
Pros: "It was really cheap and they boarded the plane early and left early."
Cons: "How much it costs to check a bag."
Pros: "If you’re traveling light and you understand their fees, it’s easily the cheapest flight you can get. Maybe not the best airline for all your travel needs, but awesome for a quick weekend."
Cons: "Delays and more delays. 3.5 hours delay boarding. Had us get on plane after first delay, then announced there was no crew and we had to get back off. Nothing is included. Carry on $55, soda or juice $3. Not comfortable. The plane sounded like it was about to fall apart when we landed. Worried for my flight home."
Pros: "Price—got what we paid for—a flight. Nothing more. As the flight attendant stated as she offered drinks or snacks, the only thing free is SMILES!!"
Cons: "Not even a free cup of water! Actually, a cup of ice was free—wow!! Only airline I have encountered that does not offer two free carry-on items—defeats the lower price of your ticket when you have to pay for every little item!!"
Pros: "Flight was awesome and quicker than I thought."
Cons: "Seats are to close together no leg room."
Cons: "The seats are super cramped. It would be been nice to at least get some water for free."
Pros: "The fact we didn't sit on the plane for an hour after boarding on time so they can kick people off the plane for over booking like they did on the way back."
Cons: "I got an email at 8am saying my flight could be delayed but should show up on time. My flight was at 4:55pm so great start there. So I show up an hour and a half ahead of boarding, which is on the latter side for me. Security lines weren't very long, they just took their time which wasted everyone else's. I get through that line, look at the departure board - wait IT'S ON TIME?! They start boarding soon if it's on time and it's a further gate so I run down there and guess what? Delayed an hour. Okay, that's fine. Go grab something to eat, come back, settle in for a little bit, board - on my sweet way. Go grab some food quickly, come back - another hour delay? What the heck? I must've missed an announcement. Guess I should plug in my phone for the wait, I expected to meet some friends and potential clients layer that night, communication is key. I misplaced my charger, no big deal just went and got one of those power rods (highly recommend) and come back - ANOTHER HOUR?! That's pretty insane. One of my friends flying from Dallas that departed at 7:30 could be up in the air before I am. Step aside, give him a call to update, call potential clients letting them know I will be delayed getting there. No issue. Turn around - my goodness well what do you know, another hour! At this rate I call my hotel, because I can't lose my reservation if I can't check in on time. Hotel was the waterfront crowne plaza (another highly recommended item in this review by me). I plant in my seat, set my roots, meet a few nice people. Figuring I'd kill some time by meeting some great people. Met a family from Detroit and got some awesome food recommendations. Randomly over the speaker - we have another delay - another HOUR delay. Well this is just turning into a horror story, will I ever get there? Should I request a new flight? My buddy in Dallas departed 3+ hours after I was supposed to, and was up in the air already (he landed before me too). At this rate I cancel my meeting. We board, we take off, we land. Woman sitting next to me was nice. Plane didn't crash. Just landed in Detroit about 7+ hours later than expected. All in all, don't take spirit. Looking at prices they are the cheapest, not by a huge margin though. Pay the extra 70 or so dollars to take another airline. Even if it's $150 dollars more, take the other airline. They want to charge you 65 dollars for a carry-on. Their website was created by a 12 year old. Simply getting your boarding pass includes cross and up sells that make the process 10x more frustrating, especially when you know what you're dealing with on the second flight back. (By the way spirit if you can read this I'm a consultant for advertising, digital media, and UI for e-commerce - I can help you with your terrible website and the offers that come along with it) Just take the other airline, any other. It won't save you money most likely, but it will save you a lot of headaches, time, and embarrassment."
Pros: "The professionalism of the crew and staff."
Cons: "The overselling of seats; however, the compensation offered if I was unable to obtain a seat was good."
Pros: "Quick boarding!! Very efficient!"
Cons: "High fee to carry one bag on. No phone charger at seat. that would be a plus! That's why I rated a 1 on entertainment. There was none. 1 on good. there iwas none. Should have option of n/a."
Cons: "It cost us over $200 extra to take carry ons. I didn't read this in the fine print. $59 each carry on! Each way!"
Cons: "Flight was canceled. Spirit did not have any solutions. I had to buy a one way ticket out of pocket, not reinbursed by Spirit, in order to make the wedding the next day. That ticket cost me more than spirits round trip ticket. I will never fly Spirit again. I will do everything in my power to see that Spirit does not get any more business. I would recommend that Kayak not use Spirit Airline."
Pros: "And then had to wait at the gate while another plane left."
Cons: "Food was too expensive, all extra charges were over $400!"
Cons: "You have to pay for half glass of water?!!! Unfriendly crew"
Pros: "It was on time, smooth takeoff and landing. What I expected from spirit otherwise (no food/beverages)"
Pros: "Upbeat and jovial flight attendants."
Cons: "Very little room but I expected this on a discount airline"
Pros: "I liked the fact that the plane didn't explode midair, and that it got me to my final destination in one piece. Spirit knows how to do that."
Cons: "I don't like sitting in airplanes for long periods of time, mostly because I can't get comfortable. Aside from first class seating, every airline's economy seats feel like medieval torture devices. It's what I expect, so no harm done."
Cons: "Flight was delayed over 3 hours for no apparent reason."
Pros: "The crew on this fight was good."
Cons: "I got there early to check in, only to have the ticket agents continue to call customers of other flights, such that I barely made it on time for my plane. To boot, there was a Spirit ticket agent just standing there doing nothing behind a computer while there was a super long line. People started to go up to her to ask questions, and then she was helping them with tickets using the computer. Then she started to help people in line. She just stood there for about 45 minutes doing nothing though. Ridiculous. I'll never fly this airline again."
Cons: "You can't even offer water on a flight without charging?! That's a little ridiculous"
Cons: "Delays both ways due to crew shortages and maintenance issues, not weather. $50 for a carry on is insulting."
Pros: "Crew was wonderful, very helpful and caring."
Cons: "seats were very close, but we were lucky because it was a light flight and no one sat in the third seat."
Cons: "$100 R/T checked bag surcharge. No comp. snacks or beverage. Cramped uncomfortable seating. Inappropriate sale and hard promotion of Spirit credit card on both flights."
Pros: "The boarding process was quick and efficient. The pilot was great."
Cons: "Extra charge for everything and I mean everything! I understand spirit is "unbundled" but paying $90 round trip for a small carry on + all the extra small charges I could have easily flown with a higher quality airline. The flights did not leave on time and the flight attendants, although polite did not give the same level of service as other airlines I fly with. And what is with the baby tray table? I almost laughed! I will not fly with spirit again...I'd rather stay home."
Pros: "Baby changing tables in the bathrooms, meaning your tray table is much cleaner!"
Cons: "Bring an empty reusable water bottle to the airport and fill it once past security because you have to pay for water in flight."
Pros: "My flight was cancel but they put me in a good hotel in movement for tomorrow"
Pros: "I managed restaurants for years, so I want to start off by saying I'm VERY forgiving when it comes to mistakes. 4 out of the 5 flights I've mistakenly subjected myself to with Spirit have been absolutely atrocious in every way imaginable. This one was so horrible I can't even type the story in fear I'll start to relive it. Trust me and please let my pain and suffering be reconciled through saving you the pain of walking in the shoes of a Spirit Airlines customer. If ever considering a flight with Spirit...just say no. If for some crazy reason they draw you in with a price, schedule, airport location, or any other reason or combination of reasons...I promise you, it isn't worth it. Even if the flight is free, you'll feel cheated and short changed in the end after you overcome the shear disbelief that any company could survive operating the way they do. And if you're still considering Spirit at this point, I wish you luck...you'll need plenty of it. They're mediocre 20^ of the time. If you're flight is like the greater 80% of my experiences, Lord help you."
Cons: "Everything but the color yellow in their logo. And PS, any of these good reviews have got to be friends and family. Spirit Airlines couldn't hit a 10 on their best day. Virgin can hit a 10, but Spirit...their top end can't be higher than a 4"
Pros: "pilot flew this plane well, and flight attendant also very good - older man"
Cons: "Did NOT like paying $55 per person for carry on baggage each way This was a rip off and unexpected. Probably wont fly Spirit again and will steer others away also. If youre going to charge such outrageous amounts for carry on bags you should make it clearly known when people book. I feel a bit ripped off."
Cons: "Rip off airline...not worth the cheap price to then pay $55 for a carry on bag...plus you have to pay for drinks on the plane."
Pros: "The fact it was cheap"
Cons: "There was 3 delays. Makes me wonder how many delays they would have during actually bad weather. I don't think I would be taking it again... the coast to check in a bag was also crazy $50.00 I might as well taken another line and I would not have had that many delays got home the time I planned on getting home. Although it was cheaper that other flights if I added 40 dollars I would of went in a better plan and not had to deal with though delays."
Pros: "all flight info was great, walking in after checking, flight, after flight and luggage pickup. great flight!"
Cons: "No problem!"
Pros: "Easy booking and low fare!"
Cons: "The staff at BWI airport need more customer service trading. Three representatives all seemed annoyed that customers were waiting in line. Lack of eye contact, no courtesy words used when speaking to guest, talked amongst themselves and simply made everyone in line irritated."
Cons: "There is a check in policy of 45 minutes before boarding designed to make you miss your flight. I had to pay an extra 99 dollars on a 180 dollar ticket and was rerouted making me miss a day of my trip. On the way back the tries to make me pay 55 dollars to check a carry on even though they hadn't on the flight out. Worst airline I have ever encountered anywhere near"
Pros: "The safe seemed friendly, I had no complaints with them."
Cons: "The airline charges a carry on which I didn't see clearly when booking my flight. They also don't offer complimentary beverages; which isn't a huge deal. However, I would of brought a drink with me if I knew that. The aircraft felt very dirty, the seats had stains all over them. I felt gross sitting in my row."
Cons: "After pushing back departure by over three hours, they cancelled the flight. Terrible communication by staff - found out about cancellation when I walked past a concourse gate assignment monitor. Earliest rebooking was two days later."
Pros: "The Crew was nice."
Cons: "They have cheaper Tickets than any other Airline, but they make their money through everything else. One suitcase is 38$, you have no carry-on free, carry-ons are even more expensive than a regulär suitcase. You just get one Personal item free, not more. Was on a Five hour flight to LA and got nothing. No food, not even water. For everything I had to pay. They don't have WiFi, no on board entertainment. The seats was small and uncomfortable. Oh and in teirs suitcases they just allow 18 kg, not 23 like everyone else. So I had 24 kg and they charged me 55$ for they overweight. Their Tickets might be cheap, but in the end for me it would have been better flying with another Airline."
Cons: "I was asked to change my seat from 29A to 3E to accommodate a family who wanted to sit together. I was told that 3E was a better seat. 3E turned out to be a nightmare. A row away was a child who screamed for 75% of the flight but that wasn't the worst part. 3E was situated between a man and a woman who must have weighed 450 pounds! I literally had half of a seat for the entire flight. I really feel that I should be reimbursed because of how uncomfortable I was forced to fly for the entire flight. A person of that size should not be squeezed into a row of three seats."
Pros: "The pilot did a fantastic Job"
Cons: "The attitude of the check in attendance. the price of baggage. More than any airline in the US. Please make sure that you read, read and read all the informations before you buy your ticket. Trying to save with Sprite Airline is a big mistake. You will end up paying more than any other airline."
Cons: "Our flight was delayed 3 hours, our connections were rerouted so we got to Vegas 12 hours later than planned, and the restaurants in the airport refused to take the free meal voucher."
Cons: "Flight was scheduled to leave Boston at 8.50.p.m.on July,16 but it departed at about 0030 hrs on Jul,17 forcing me to sit at the airport and causing lot of discomforts at the age of 67 yrs as also to my aged wife. I also have lurnt that Spirit flights are generally running late."
Cons: "Flight was 1.5 hrs late and we never got an explanation. The lady from spirit said the flight was late the night before too so I think the flight is regularly late"
Pros: "Nothing, I will never fly them again"
Cons: "Flight was cancelled without explanation and with the worst customer service I have ever experienced"
Pros: "I would rate entertainment as excellent, if by 'entertainment' you mean the ridiculous organization and communication of the staff. THey issued the wrong boarding pass to all passengers on a chicago bound flight, guided us to the wrong gate, and mistakenly told us that the flight was cancelled, when in fact it was a different flight that was cancelled. This led to many passengers booking new flights or going home."
Cons: "I'd give it no stars if I could because the flight never left. They delayed it due to weather, then canceled due to crew time expiring. All well and good, but the next flight out they had available seats on was 4 days later, on Monday. Since I had to be in a wedding, I kind of had to fly out, so I ended up paying $900 (!!!!!) on a last minute flight on delta. I'll never try to save money up front again. Spirit assured me I'd have a refund in 5-7 business days, which was clearly useful in helping me buy my ticket to actually get to my destination."
Pros: "The crew was nice, very kind people."
Cons: "Delays, more delays, they seem to be not ready for the unexpected things that can occur. The plane is so small you feel like riding a bus with wings."
Pros: "The airplane was nice enough."
Cons: "The additional fees for boarding passes, water, no TV, no snacks, and not allowing you a medium carry-on bag/flight bag. And the $2.50 muffin was not worth it!"
Pros: "Nothing, I should have paid just a little more and flown in comfort"
Cons: "I don't like the hidden cost that you can only find out by their website or as some found out when they checked in. Just be upfront and let the customer make up their mind. I really didn't save any money and I didn't get my money's worth."